Order Out of Liberty

How does God bring order to His assemblies?

And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

–1 Corinthians 14:32-33

When the saints fellowship in a context in which they can freely share, they become accountable for that liberty before God–which requires them to accept responsibility for their own conduct–and to grow spiritually.  

Will problems arise within assemblies?

As in life, opportunities for growth are often cleverly disguised as ‘problems.’  

After all, life is nothing more than a series of choices, and liberty to share freely within the assembly (and to live out our faith according to our conscience) necessitates that saints actually learn how to respond to the leading of the Spirit, while simultaneously learning to value the contributions and conscience of other saints.

The inevitable fruit of this process [if we trust the Holy Spirit enough to initiate it] is that self-control increases in the lives of all the saints:  and God’s order, a divine order, reigns among His people.

[Of course, no man grows in faith without growing in love; and no man grows in self- control without also growing in patience and hope and meekness.  Where we find an increase in one fruit, we are certain to find an increase in them all.]

6 thoughts on “Order Out of Liberty

  1. The very fact of freedom itself breeds the subjectivity God commands and requires. This cannot be said of those who merely teach uninterrupted or even with questions that may follow. Obviously the latter has no merit before God, with the possible exception of preaching to unbelievers.
    To this day I have to remind so called leaders I meet that Christians don’t preach to their family members. Have you ever found a son or daughter who ever appreciated being preached at? Never, and you never will. Did Jesus “preach at” His disciples or teach them by becoming a living example before them. May preaching to the saints be struck from the record- forever!
    To me, preaching is favorable toward unbelievers and in large settings. That is two reasons that once again prove the failure of the modern “church.” Even moderate size churches are too large for intimacy and far too many cater to the needs of unbelievers- that’s why they preach to them. This amounts to the exact opposite of what we know is most valuable and which you have noted:
    Believers need to learn how to walk by the Spirit themselves and have the freedom to form their own convictions. Anyone can repeat by rote the ramblings or dictates of a “specialized religion,” few will speak openly or confidently about what they only think may be of God. A far better way would be for individuals to seek God first, listen to the words and example of those more mature and subject themselves one to another. In this manner, they will learn aright and become part of those who discover and contribute to order out of liberty.

    • This sentence stood out: “Believers need to learn how to walk by the Spirit themselves and have the freedom to form their own convictions.”

      What good father doesn’t want His children to grow up and have children of their own someday? Our job is to assist others. Assist implies giving occasional help, as needed, in the way it is needed. We are at the periphery; God is at the center. This does not mean that we will not influential, even as those we assist will be influential in our own lives. In fact, if we really are assisting [serving], we will discover that we are learning as much from the spiritual transaction as those we are supposedly helping!

      This is the beauty of God’s holy people: we need each other.


      You are extremely influential in my daily walk with the Lord, brother: you help me a lot. Thanks, bro.



  2. the single man teacher week in week out is never open to scrutiny. If a number of elders are accountable to each other then it makes each teacher/elder more accountable before the whole ecclesia.

    99.9 percent of churches today will never take an elder from he local ecclesia and almost always “elect” from someone who has had university college training. This leads to text book teaching and no moving from the Spirit. This has lead to the signature teaching of the Holy Spirit being completely ignored because they refuse to look at it unless they have been taught the same at university/college.

    For example :

    Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

    A teacher once taught me that this was talking about the scarcity of men for marriage at this time. It just didn’t add up to me so I asked the leading of the Spirit to help me. One day it just stood out (you may disagree!?)

    The man is Jesus. The seven women are unbelievers in the seven churches who want to live by their own words (eat their own bread) and live by their own righteousness (wear their own clothing) but want to be called by the mans name (they want to be called Christians) so that their sin is forgiven…They don’t want to listen to him and have a hard time that the gospel is a free gift of eternal life.

    This made complete sense to me…I then re-read chapter 3 which now opened up more since it was talking about disobedient daughters and the rest of chapter 4 also opens up because it is talking of the time that the Lord returns and cleanses the temple (cleanses the ecclesia)

    Another example is in the gospel of John when Jesus goes off into a high mountain (the ascension) and sends the apostles off in the boat onto the sea (sends them away with the great commission into the world…the world is the sea which from revelation is interpreted as many peoples and tongues and nations…the boat is the ecclesia together and they are tossed to and fro by the sea…the world hates the church of Christ). Jesus then returned walking on the water…He is above the world and steps into the boat and immediately the boat is on the other shore…He calls His people home when the last trumpet calls and we a taken into the air ever to be with the Lord…

    I love finding these signatures in the bible of the Holy Spirit…they are just everywhere and I love to hear them by other believers who have also been shown them…it just makes us grow more…Chapter 31 in proverbs – look at this as how a faithful church should be :) and it just opens up loads

    All of the above can be considered “an interpretation or revelation” and it is part of what the Holy Spirit does that allows us to share when we meet together….

    1cor14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

    I love how the above verse says “every one of you have…” :)

    God bless you

    • Enjoyed your comments, brother. Edifying.

      The 1 Corinthians 14 model provides “a multitude of counselors [and confirming witnesses]: for which cause, there is safety.

      It is also testifies better of the nature of Christ’s atoning work on the cross [what He does in the heart of every believer], than the single man model [which can be found nowhere in scripture].

      So, you raise an important point.

      As far as Isaiah 4:1 goes, I believe it has a literal application in a literal time: however, I found your comments on it fascinating, as well. [Just like, Abraham really prepared to sacrifice Isaac, but it is also a type of the coming sacrifice of Christ.] I also like how you call it the “signature of the Holy Spirit.”

      I believe Isaiah is an “end-times” road map, describing what will happen at the time of the end.

      I love the way you know the bible [have been tutored by the Holy Spirit]; please continue to share such comments in your writings. [I am following your blog.]



      • This way of reading scripture is lead by the Holy Spirit and it is one of the principal ways that are ignored in today’s teaching universities. Paul uses it all the time and was taught to read scripture like this…we should never get our doctrine from this way of reading the bible…it always strengthens truth that is already known. Another to study is the ship wreck in acts…there is coming a time when individuals in Christ will be forced to take the plunge and put complete trust in Christ…I think I need to expand all of this in a post…Jesus taught the disciples how to read the parables using this very method…it’s just that elitism in the college’s and universities refuses to accept it…it’s not hidden knowledge, like Gnostics thought, it’s just connecting the dots with what the Holy Spirit has already placed in there and it is nothing to do with nothing to do with how clever we are…it is the mind of Christ which every believer has

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